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Author Interview with Gouri Shankar Patnaik

By Deepak Seth
October 22, 2026 13 Min Read
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1. Your book traces the journey from CSR to ESG. What is the biggest misunderstanding businesses still have about the difference between the two?

    The biggest misunderstanding is that many businesses still view CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) as an external, philanthropic activity, while ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) is actually a core business and value-creation strategy.

    CSR traditionally asks, “How can we give back to society?” ESG asks, “How do we run our business responsibly, sustainably, and profitably?”

    For example, a company may donate to schools, hospitals, or community programs and proudly claim to be socially responsible. That is commendable CSR. However, if the same organization has high carbon emissions, poor workplace safety, weak governance, or unethical supply chain practices, it cannot be considered strong in ESG.

    I often summarize the distinction this way:

    • CSR is about doing good in addition to business.
    • ESG is about doing business in a way that consistently creates good outcomes for all stakeholders.

    The transition from CSR to ESG represents a shift from charity to strategy, from intentions to metrics, and from reputation management to sustainable value creation.

    Organizations that truly understand this difference stop treating sustainability as a separate department and begin embedding environmental responsibility, social wellbeing, and ethical governance into every business decision, process, and performance measure. That is where ESG moves beyond compliance and becomes a genuine driver of resilience, competitiveness, and long-term success.

    2. You discuss examples from Unilever, Microsoft, ITC, and Tata Group. Which lesson from these companies would you most recommend to a smaller business?

    If I had to recommend just one lesson from the experiences of Unilever, Microsoft, ITC, and Tata Group, it would be this:

    Make sustainability part of your business model, not a side activity.

    Many small businesses believe ESG requires large budgets, sophisticated reporting systems, or multinational-scale resources. These companies demonstrate that the real advantage comes from integrating sustainability into everyday decisions and operations.

    • Unilever shows that sustainability can drive innovation, brand loyalty, and long-term growth when it is embedded in products and business strategy.
    • Microsoft demonstrates the value of setting measurable goals, tracking performance, and holding leadership accountable for results.
    • ITC illustrates how environmental stewardship and community development can strengthen supply chains while creating shared value.
    • Tata Group proves that strong ethics and stakeholder trust become powerful competitive advantages that endure across generations.

    For a smaller business, the practical takeaway is simple:

    1. Measure what matters, such as energy consumption, waste generation, customer satisfaction, employee safety, and governance practices.
    2. Set a few realistic improvement targets each year.
    3. Involve employees in identifying opportunities for improvement.
    4. Communicate progress transparently to customers and stakeholders.
    5. Treat ESG initiatives as investments that improve efficiency, reputation, and resilience rather than as costs.

    A small manufacturing company, for example, may begin by reducing energy consumption by 10%, improving workplace safety, recycling process waste, and strengthening supplier ethics. These actions require commitment more than capital and often produce both sustainability and financial benefits.

    The key lesson is that successful ESG is not determined by the size of a company but by the mindset of its leadership.

    3. Your book highlights materiality assessment. How can a company identify the ESG issues that deserve its attention first?

    Materiality assessment is one of the most important steps in an ESG journey because organizations cannot manage every issue with equal intensity. The objective is to identify the ESG topics that have the greatest impact on both business performance and stakeholder expectations.

    I recommend a simple four-step approach:

    1. Understand your business context Begin by examining the organization’s industry, products, operations, supply chain, customer requirements, and regulatory environment. The material ESG issues for a Textile mill, for example, will differ significantly from those of a software company.

    2. Listen to stakeholders Engage with key stakeholders such as customers, employees, investors, suppliers, regulators, local communities, and shareholders. Their expectations often reveal emerging risks and opportunities that management may overlook.

    3. Assess impact and business risk Evaluate each ESG issue from two perspectives:

    • How significantly does the issue affect stakeholders and society?
    • How significantly could it affect business performance, reputation, compliance, costs, or growth?

    Issues that score highly on both dimensions should receive immediate attention.

    4. Prioritize and measure Develop a materiality matrix and focus on the most critical areas first. Establish measurable targets, monitor progress, and review priorities regularly as business conditions evolve.

    From my manufacturing and quality management experience, the most common material ESG priorities often include:

    • Energy efficiency and carbon footprint
    • Water management and conservation
    • Workplace safety and employee wellbeing
    • Product quality and customer trust
    • Ethical business practices and governance
    • Responsible sourcing and supply chain sustainability

    For example, in the paper industry, a materiality assessment may identify energy consumption, water usage, fiber sourcing, effluent management, employee safety, and community engagement as the highest-priority ESG topics. Improvements in these areas not only enhance sustainability performance but also reduce costs, improve operational efficiency, and strengthen stakeholder confidence.

    The key message is that materiality assessment is not about choosing popular ESG topics; it is about identifying the issues that matter most to both stakeholders and the long-term success of the organization. When done correctly, it ensures that ESG resources are invested where they create the greatest impact and value.

    4. You explain that diversity needs inclusion to create value. How can leaders ensure that different voices actually influence workplace decisions?

    Diversity creates potential, but inclusion converts that potential into performance. An organization may have people from different genders, generations, cultures, educational backgrounds, and experiences, yet gain little benefit if those individuals are not heard, respected, and able to influence decisions.

    Leaders can ensure different voices shape workplace decisions through five practical actions:

    1. Create Psychological Safety

    Employees must feel safe expressing ideas, concerns, and disagreements without fear of criticism or negative consequences. When people are comfortable challenging existing assumptions, organizations make better decisions and innovate faster.

    A useful leadership practice is to ask, “What risks or perspectives are we missing?” before finalizing important decisions.

    2. Involve Diverse Teams Early

    Many organizations seek diverse opinions only after decisions have already been made. Inclusion requires involving people from different functions, experience levels, locations, and backgrounds at the beginning of the problem-solving process.

    For example, when introducing a new product, involve operations, quality, sales, customer service, and frontline employees rather than relying solely on senior management.

    3. Encourage Structured Participation

    In meetings, leaders should ensure every voice is heard. Often a few individuals dominate discussions while valuable insights remain unspoken.

    Practical methods include:

    • Round-table participation
    • Anonymous idea submissions
    • Cross-functional workshops
    • Employee suggestion systems
    • Small-group brainstorming sessions

    These approaches help capture perspectives that might otherwise be overlooked.

    4. Link Inclusion to Accountability

    What gets measured gets managed. Leaders should track indicators such as employee engagement, retention, promotion fairness, participation in decision-making forums, and feedback effectiveness.

    Managers should be evaluated not only on business results but also on how effectively they develop and include diverse talent.

    5. Act on Feedback

    Nothing discourages participation more quickly than employees feeling their opinions disappear into a black hole. When suggestions lead to action, leaders should communicate the outcomes and recognize contributors.

    People continue sharing ideas when they see evidence that their voices matter.

    The Quality Management Perspective

    Quality management has taught me that many breakthrough improvements originate not in boardrooms but on the shop floor. Operators, technicians, customer-facing employees, and young professionals often see risks and opportunities before senior leaders do.

    Therefore, true inclusion means creating a culture where the best idea wins, regardless of hierarchy, title, age, gender, or background.

    5. You describe community acceptance as a “social license to operate.” How can businesses earn that acceptance beyond donations and occasional CSR activities?

    Community acceptance, or a “social license to operate,” is not something a company receives through donations alone. It is earned when communities believe that the organization genuinely contributes to their wellbeing, respects their concerns, and operates responsibly over the long term.

    Many businesses make the mistake of equating community relations with occasional CSR programs. Communities judge a company far more by its daily conduct than by its charitable contributions.

    1. Build Trust Through Continuous Engagement

    The most successful organizations maintain regular dialogue with local communities rather than interacting only during crises or annual CSR events.

    2. Create Shared Value

    Businesses earn lasting acceptance when community development is linked to local needs and business goals.

    Examples include:

    • Skill development and vocational training.
    • Employment opportunities for local youth.
    • Support for local suppliers and entrepreneurs.
    • Educational and healthcare initiatives aligned with community priorities.

    3. Demonstrate Environmental Responsibility

    Communities are directly affected by a company’s environmental performance.

    Organizations should proactively address:

    • Air emissions
    • Water consumption
    • Effluent management
    • Waste reduction
    • Biodiversity protection

    4. Prioritize Safety and Wellbeing

    A company’s reputation in surrounding communities is strongly influenced by its commitment to employee and public safety.

    Strong safety practices, emergency preparedness, health initiatives, and transparent reporting demonstrate that the organization values people above short-term profits.

    5. Deliver on Commitments

    Nothing builds credibility faster than keeping promises. Nothing destroys it faster than unfulfilled commitments.

    Companies should:

    • Set realistic expectations.
    • Communicate progress openly.
    • Report achievements and challenges honestly.

    Consistency over time creates confidence and trust.

    The Leadership Perspective

    Manufacturing and quality management, communities rarely ask organizations to be perfect. They expect them to be responsible, transparent, and responsive.

    I often summarize the concept this way:

    A legal license allows a company to operate. A social license allows it to thrive.

    Businesses earn that license when communities see them not merely as profit-generating enterprises, but as trusted partners in local development. Donations may create goodwill for a day, but genuine engagement, ethical conduct, environmental responsibility, and shared prosperity create acceptance that lasts for generations.

    6. Your book emphasizes responsible sourcing. How should a company respond when a dependable, low-cost supplier falls short of its environmental or labour expectations?

    A dependable, low-cost supplier should never be judged only by price and delivery performance. Responsible sourcing requires companies to hold suppliers accountable for environmental, labour, and ethical standards while also helping them improve.

    One should have a “Correct, Support, and Then Decide” approach:

    1. Assess the severity of the gap.
      • Minor issues such as inadequate documentation, insufficient training records, or incomplete environmental reporting can usually be corrected through a structured improvement plan.
      • Serious violations such as child labour, forced labour, unsafe working conditions, deliberate pollution, or repeated legal non-compliance demand immediate action.
    2. Engage rather than replace immediately.
      • Discuss findings openly with the supplier.
      • Define corrective actions, responsibilities, and timelines.
      • Provide technical guidance, training, and best-practice sharing where appropriate.
      • Conduct follow-up audits to verify progress.
    3. Use incentives and consequences.
      • Continued business, longer contracts, or preferred-supplier status can reward genuine improvement.
    4. Consider total cost, not purchase price.
      • A low-cost supplier that exposes the company to environmental fines, labour controversies, supply disruptions, or reputational damage may become far more expensive in the long run than a slightly higher-priced but responsible supplier.
    5. Maintain a clear red line.
      • If the supplier refuses to improve or repeatedly violates critical environmental or human-rights requirements, the company should transition to an alternative supplier, regardless of short-term cost advantages.

    Ultimately, responsible sourcing is not about finding perfect suppliers; it is about building a supply chain that continuously improves while upholding non-negotiable ethical standards. The strongest companies treat suppliers as partners in sustainability, but they remain firm when core values and stakeholder trust are at risk.

    7. You distinguish activities, outcomes, and impact. Could you share an example of an ESG initiative that looks successful on paper but delivers little real benefit?

    A classic example is a company that proudly announces a large-scale tree-planting campaign and reports that “one million trees have been planted.” On paper, the activity appears impressive, the ESG report looks strong, and the numbers attract positive attention. However, if the organization measures only the activity, not the outcome or impact, the real benefit may be minimal.

    Let us distinguish the three levels:

    • Activity: One million saplings planted.
    • Outcome: Only 40% survive after three years because of poor species selection, inadequate maintenance, or unsuitable locations.
    • Impact: Carbon sequestration, biodiversity improvement, and community benefits remain far below expectations.

    The lesson is that ESG success should not be judged by what was done, but by what changed. Too many organizations measure inputs and activities because they are easy to count. Mature ESG programs focus on outcomes and impact: lower emissions, safer workplaces, stronger communities, improved employee wellbeing, enhanced trust, and sustainable business performance.

    As I emphasize in the book, stakeholders should always ask three questions:

    1. What activities were undertaken?
    2. What measurable outcomes resulted?
    3. What lasting impact was created?

    8. You give shop floor managers an important role in ESG leadership. How can companies help them turn sustainability goals into everyday employee habits?

    Shop floor managers are the bridge between corporate ESG commitments and daily operational reality. Sustainability goals become meaningful only when they are translated into simple, measurable behaviours that employees practice every day.

    Companies can achieve this through five practical steps:

    1. Convert ESG goals into operational targets. Employees cannot act on broad objectives such as “reduce carbon emissions” or “improve sustainability.” Instead, managers should translate them into specific actions such as reducing steam consumption, minimizing fiber loss, lowering chemical usage, improving water recovery, segregating waste, and reporting safety hazards. What gets measured on the shop floor gets managed.
    2. Integrate ESG into existing management systems. Rather than creating separate sustainability programs, companies should embed ESG into TQM, Lean, Six Sigma, TPM, 5S, and safety systems. For example, a Kaizen project that reduces energy consumption or process waste simultaneously improves both sustainability and profitability.
    3. Lead through visible daily practices. Employees observe actions more than policies. When supervisors consistently follow safety rules, conserve resources, encourage waste reduction, and discuss ESG performance during daily review meetings, these behaviours gradually become part of the workplace culture.
    4. Build awareness and ownership. Regular toolbox talks, shift meetings, visual dashboards, and practical training sessions help employees understand how their actions affect environmental performance, workplace safety, and community well-being. People support what they understand.
    5. Recognize and reward positive behaviour. Companies should celebrate teams that achieve safety milestones, reduce waste, save energy, improve recycling rates, or develop sustainable innovations. Recognition creates pride, and pride reinforces habits.

    A practical example from manufacturing is water conservation. Corporate leadership may set a target to reduce freshwater consumption by 20%. The shop floor manager converts this into daily actions: monitoring leaks, optimizing shower water usage, improving condensate recovery, and tracking water consumption by department. Employees then see exactly how their individual actions contribute to the larger sustainability objective.

    Ultimately, ESG succeeds not because of policies written in boardrooms but because of habits practiced on the shop floor. When sustainability becomes part of daily work routines, performance discussions, improvement projects, and employee recognition systems, ESG moves from aspiration to action and from compliance to culture.

    9. Your discussion of Life Cycle Assessment looks beyond the factory gate. How can this approach change the way companies design products and choose materials?

    Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) fundamentally changes product design by shifting the question from “How sustainable is our manufacturing process?” to “What is the total environmental impact of this product from raw material extraction to end-of-life disposal or recycling?”

    Traditionally, many companies focus only on impacts within the factory gate. LCA broadens the perspective to include raw materials, transportation, product use, packaging, recycling, and disposal. As a result, design decisions become more strategic and sustainability driven.

    1. Material Selection Becomes More Informed

    LCA often reveals that the greatest environmental impact occurs before manufacturing even begins. This encourages companies to:

    • Use renewable or recycled materials where feasible.
    • Reduce dependence on scarce or environmentally intensive resources.
    • Select suppliers with lower carbon footprints and responsible sourcing practices.
    • Replace hazardous chemicals with safer alternatives.

    For example, a packaging company may discover that reducing material weight by just a few grams significantly decreases raw material consumption, transportation emissions, and waste generation throughout the product’s life cycle.

    2. Product Design Focuses on Resource Efficiency

    LCA encourages designers to develop products that:

    • Use less material and energy.
    • Generate less waste during production.
    • Have longer service lives.
    • Require fewer replacements and repairs.

    A durable product often has a lower life-cycle impact than a cheaper product that must be replaced frequently.

    3. End-of-Life Becomes a Design Consideration

    Instead of treating disposal as someone else’s problem, companies begin designing for:

    • Reuse
    • Repairability
    • Remanufacturing
    • Recyclability

    This supports circular economy principles and reduces landfill waste.

    LCA provides data to evaluate these trade-offs objectively.

    5. Innovation Gains a New Direction

    When companies understand where the largest impacts occur, R&D efforts become more focused. Innovation can target areas that deliver the greatest environmental and economic returns rather than merely improving visible aspects of the product.

    10. Your book stresses climate adaptation alongside emission reduction. What should businesses do today to prepare for disruptions such as floods, heatwaves, and water shortages?

      Climate change is no longer a future risk; it is a present business risk. While reducing emissions remains essential, companies must also strengthen their ability to operate, compete, and recover when faced with floods, heatwaves, droughts, water shortages, and other climate-related disruptions.

      1. Conduct Climate Risk Assessments

      Businesses should identify how climate events could affect:

      • Manufacturing facilities
      • Supply chains
      • Raw material availability
      • Energy supply
      • Water resources
      • Logistics and transportation networks

      A flood may shut down a plant, but it may also disrupt critical suppliers hundreds of kilometres away. Understanding these vulnerabilities is the first step toward resilience.

      2. Build Supply Chain Resilience

      Organizations should avoid excessive dependence on a single supplier, region, or transport route.

      Practical measures include:

      • Developing alternative suppliers
      • Maintaining strategic inventories of critical materials
      • Diversifying sourcing locations
      • Evaluating climate risks in supplier assessments

      3. Strengthen Water Security

      Water scarcity is becoming a major operational risk for many industries.

      Companies should:

      • Increase water recycling and reuse
      • Harvest rainwater
      • Improve process water efficiency
      • Monitor water intensity metrics
      • Explore alternative water sources where feasible

      4. Prepare Facilities for Extreme Weather

      Infrastructure should be evaluated for future climate conditions rather than historical averages.

      Examples include:

      • Improved drainage systems
      • Flood barriers and elevated equipment
      • Heat-resistant infrastructure
      • Backup power systems
      • Emergency response and business continuity plans

      5. Protect Employee Health and Safety

      Heatwaves and extreme weather directly affect workforce productivity and well-being.

      Businesses should implement:

      • Heat stress management programs
      • Flexible working schedules during extreme conditions
      • Hydration and cooling measures
      • Emergency preparedness training
      • Enhanced occupational health monitoring

      Climate resilience is ultimately about protecting people as much as protecting assets.

      6. Integrate Adaptation into Capital Investment Decisions

      When investing in new plants, warehouses, or infrastructure, companies should consider climate risks over the next 20-30 years, not only current conditions.

      A facility located in a low-cost area today may become vulnerable to flooding, water shortages, or extreme temperatures tomorrow.

      7. Use Data, Technology, and Scenario Planning

      Organizations should regularly evaluate different climate scenarios and test how operations would respond to:

      • Prolonged droughts
      • Major floods
      • Severe heatwaves
      • Energy shortages
      • Supply chain disruptions

      Scenario planning transforms climate uncertainty into manageable business strategy.

      Manufacturing Perspective

      In manufacturing, a climate-resilient project may deliver both environmental and financial benefits. For example, improving condensate recovery, optimizing water reuse, reducing energy consumption, installing renewable energy systems, and strengthening emergency preparedness can simultaneously lower operating costs and improve resilience.

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